CBR: ... in 1980, I'm still doing these missions, but I'm
getting all of these various intel lines now coming together.
'Cause I'm moving all over the U. S. mostly and I started
realizing that there was a little bit of some kind of criticism
coming up after this little Comm-Ev, which I got out of by using
my Kha-Khan. Because the Boss had given me a Kha-Khan in 1976, I
believe it was, or 75.
He said I was the most successful ship's Captain and
Missionaire, and so on like that . So I used one of my Kha-Khan
things and got out of that Comm-Ev.
... I debrief on all of this data that I
found out about the plants. I debriefed on everything I found out
about the Clearwater suppression of the Church and the building
down there. I debriefed on some data I had found out about John
Cole. You remember John Cole? Page
64, Garrison's book. We saw
him down in Clearwater there and he was overheard talking to a
taxi-driver about "raiding" the Church in Clearwater
and planning some actions against them. I reported that to the GO
Flag there, and they checked it out. They interviewed the
taxi-driver. He gave them a debrief on tape. It was all just as I
said. Now that was Molly Bernstein (AG Flag at the time). The
data is with Molly Bernstein. She has a whole tape on it done by
me and a tape done by Dafna.
Anyway, I went back to PAC. I debriefed to the HCO Exec Sec,
Janadir Swanson, in the CMO there. And we also realized that from
Dafna's data, that the Clearwater elections could be influenced.
Because she was being asked by the pro-Scientology candidate to
be the PR person to tell him what all the "buttons"
were and how to best put the Church's point of view forth in
Clearwater so that he could be elected. And the GO didn't want to
hear about this. They didn't want the guy elected. He was
pro-Scientology, by the way. So when I got back, I debriefed on
all this and I said, "Something's wrong in the GO,
there's too many plants around here."
We had run into this one in Clearwater, this was a definite
Government agent named Nancy Sadgwick, Nancy Sadgwick. Obviously
operating for the "evil side of the force" as you might
say. She was trying to keep any upstat person off the lines, and
anybody that could upset the little "applecarts" of the
Government, and was preventing or shooting anyone that went out
and did PR in Clearwater. Anyone that tried to make friends in
Clearwater, she would just shoot the shit out of them, or
threaten them. She would keep people off lines, declare them PTS
III, just the general suppression.
Anyway, I also found out from an entirely separate source at
this time data about an upcoming "coup" in Mexico,
which could affect our operations down there, and I debriefed on
that, and this was from a source, an old friend of mine who was a
gun runner. He had nothing to do with Scientology but it could
affect our operations down there. And I asked them to check upon
that because it gave names of the Government officials involved
in it. And this was a "coup" in Mexico against the
Government. It was going to... - it had to do with the oil
business... - didn't have to do with Scientology, but we had
friends in the Mexican Government and I thought it might affect
them so I gave them that, and debriefed to the CMO on all this.
By the way, I had also telexed to LRH and MSH this data on John
Cole being in Clearwater, because I knew wherever that sucker
was, there was always some CIA action following it up, or some
kind of infiltration action. And also, that we had important data
on how to handle the elections in Clearwater and get our
candidate elected, and so forth.
But the telexes were not forwarded thru to LRH or MSH,
although I'd been working for them for 15 years. They were
stopped by the CMO and stopped by Jimmy Mulligan when they were
sent over to the GO. And therefore, the next thing that came to
me was... - I was being Comm-Ev'ed. Now why was I being
Comm-Ev'ed? What crime? They didn't have one. They were just
doing the Comm-Ev to "find out things". I said, "Well,
I have just debriefed for 3 days now and my wife has debriefed
for 3 days down there and she's also got pneumonia now from all
the suppression and non-belief of people. Now what more do you
want? We've already been thru two Comm-Evs down there and you've
cancelled both of them. Now, what is the point of all this?" And they didn't have a point. All they wanted to do is
Comm-Ev me, and I found out really, that all they wanted to do
was shoot me because I was getting too close to the truth. And
the GO had told the CMO to get rid of me because I was
"upsetting"... - you know, I was
"hallucinating" and I was going crazy, and all that
kind of stuff.
The CMO has no intelligence service. They have no idea of
running a B-1. They have no idea of any kind of information
gathering other than org stats, and so on. And therefore, they
totally obeyed the GO, thought I was hallucinating, and
Comm-Ev'ed me.
And they had to take the results up three times because the
Committee wanted to let me off twice for following the
"Vital Data" policy, which is, "Whenever you
have vital data, you report it up to Command. If you don't, you
are committing an overt." Well, that's what I was
following. And anyway, the data still didn't get up to Command,
by the way. You have to realize this, LRH didn't get it, neither
did Mary Sue.
So the Committee finally... - this guy, Jay Okamoto, who was
over the Committee of course, he was the HCO Area Sec, Convening
Authority, he decided that I was to be shot very dead, and he
did. And that was what you saw as the "out-security",
and so on like that. The basic "out-security" was I
finally got my wife to come up and be a witness at my Comm-Ev
and, of course, she didn't have "clearance" to come up
there, so when I drove her in to be a witness at my Comm-Ev -
well, then that was the out-security and I said, "Yes,
now you have a crime, now you can shoot me." And so they
did. Anyway, that was that. And I said, "Boy, I don't
play this game anymore. I'm not going to Q & A with it. I'm
going to go all the way to the top, get all these son-of-bitches
hung. That's it."
So I went off, I got demoted down to PAC and they
"said" in the Comm-Ev, which is an illegal Comm-Ev by
the way, all this stuff was removed. Rank, Kha-Khan, all of this
kind of stuff gone, you see. So I'm now, though - I'm in a different
game. I'm now playing the game of, "I'm going to
clear up LRH's Church and he's not here or he's not in contact
with me to help me out of this one, so I'm going to get out of it
myself. And I'm going to do it right. I'm going to get all the
evidence on these son-of-a-bitches and I'm going to put it to the
right people and they're going to 'nail them' ". So I
did.
I went out to PAC and I had a nice job there as Design and
Planning in the Estates Area. And since I was only an
"AB", I could do anything I wanted really. And I went
to the government buildings and I tried to get thru to Mary Sue
and I got data on various things on Mulligan. I got a whole
debrief on him that I put into the files in HCO FOLO where I had
a helpful terminal there named Marge Bryenton. She was the Ethics
Officer in the PAC area. And I got all the data I could find
there to Joe Lisa, who was an old Sea Org GO guy, and DGIUS.
And I started coming across new data. And the new data I came
across was that there was another guy sitting in the L.A. area
who was a big plant and his name was Alan Hubbert. And I'll tell
you how that data came across: Because I ran into this girl who
had gone out, several years back, with an FBI agent. He was not
an American guy. He was an English guy who worked for the FBI. He
was sort of like a "hired gun" sometimes.
And they had asked him to take part in a plot... and a part of
an FBI operation... a clandestine one... to infiltrate the Church
of Scientology. Since he was English, you see, it would be very
obvious that he wasn't an American and not an FBI agent
therefore. And they asked him to infiltrate the Church.
And he refused. He said, "I don't like to play those
kind of games. I like to go after gun-runners and drug addicts
and all that kind of stuff." So they said "OK".
So he didn't join it. But they took him out meanwhile to see the
place where they were running it from.
And it was a building in Encino, California and they had a
cover there as an Insurance Company, the Zenith Insurance Company. And he refused the deal, you know, he saw all the files
they had on us, and all the stuff they'd stolen in 1977. He saw
all that stuff. And he said, "They got tons of stuff on
you." And he warned the girl. He didn't know at first she
was a Scientologist, and when he found out he said,"You
better get out of that thing, honey". And she said, "Why?"
And he said, "Well, because the FBI guys are doing a
number on you. And I don't know if you're safe in there or not."
So she said, "Why?" And he told her this story.
And then he took her by the building and showed it to her. Now,
she took all the data and went to this guy Alan Hubbert, who was
AG Information Los Angeles at the time. This was about 1978, 79.
Anyway, this girl who had the boyfriend who was the FBI guy -
his name was Ranson Justice. Now, he was English and he had
worked for the MI6 guys in England and so on. But mainly, he had
to leave England because he had finally gotten involved in some
kind of violent things and he had to come over to the U.S. And so
he worked part time for the FBI. Anyway, he drove her by the
place, showed her the building, then she said, "Well,
would you come by and tell this to somebody in the Church?
Because you know, freedom of religion and all that stuff."
And he said, "Well...ah..no. If they ever found out that
I told anybody, man...they'd kill me". And she said,
"Ah, come on now. Please." She finally prevailed on
him.
And so he went over with her and they had a private meeting
with Alan Hubbert. Told the story to him. And he listened. And
then they went away. And then the girl came back to him the next
day to say, "What's going to be done about it?" And
he said, "Well, here." And he gave her the order
that declared her PTS III, and he said, "I don't believe
a word of it. That guy's lying," and so on like that.
And she was so shook up, she didn't know what to do. You know,
she was just sort of sitting there dazed. She couldn't go to the
Org. She was PTS III. She couldn't get out of it now, and so she
went back home and she was just laying in bed with the lights out
and thinking, "What the hell. I just tried to help the
Church. I just tried to give them some data. What happened, huh?
What happened?"
And then, all of a sudden, she heard a knock on the door, and
she didn't hear a car come up, and it was this guy Ranson. And he
came in and she said, "I didn't hear your car,
honey." And he said, "I can't come in a car, I
can't come in here anymore. I gotta leave town." And she
said, "Why?" He said, "There's a
contract out on me." And she says, "What?"
And he says, "Somebody spilled the beans. That guy we
talked to or something had a pipeline to the FBI and they got a
contract out on me. I'm to be shot. On sight, by any agent."And
she said, "What!" He says, "Yeah, I told
you it was a serious thing, honey. Anyway, I gotta go now." So
he kissed her and all that and then he left, and she cried the
rest of the night.
And then she went back to Alan Hubbert and tried to get it
handled and told him what had happened. And he said, "Ah,
it's all hallucination and bullshit, and nobody's really doing
anything," and so on like that, and "Don't tell
anybody about this. Or you will be declared Suppressive."
So she went on like that for 6 months, thinking that she was
under some kind of investigation or PTS trip, or Suppressive
threat of declare. And suddenly she woke up and said, "Wait
a minute. This is all bullshit. I don't want anything to do with
those assholes!"
And so she went out to open up some Field Scientology by
herself. And she was working in different areas, and so on like
that. And I don't prefer to give her name on the tape because she
may be working in some area right now that are knocking out some
SMERSH people. I've told her a lot of things that are happening
and if you want to investigate anybody, investigate Alan Hubbert,
and find out if that's true or not.
Anyway, so I started looking at this guy Alan Hubbert and I
suddenly realized there's this whole Black PR campaign going on
in the PAC area against myself and my wife. And I traced it
down... "Who told you this?" - "Who told you
that?" - ...They said we were "crazy", my wife
was "PTS" or "SP" and I was "PTS",
and I was "hallucinating". It was still going on. It
was constant, constant, constant, even though Bob Thomas had been
declared Suppressive years ago.
Now who was pushing this shit? Pushing it to the CMO. Pushing
it to the Ethics Officer. Pushing it to everybody. See? So I went
around and traced it back, traced it back, traced it back, and
finally it ended up at Alan Hubbert's desk. He was the AGI out
there. And the next thing you know, I'm writing up these reports
on Alan Hubbert, "He's sending out Black PR, I want to
see him in a Comm-Ev tomorrow," and so on like that.
I started asking for these Comm-Evs, you see. To the Ethics
Officer, to the AG, and so on like this. And everybody is scared.
Now they're getting scared. People start getting scared. "Oh,
we can't do that, no, on the GO, no, we can't do that." I
said, "I want a Comm-Ev right now. I want that
son-of-a-bitch here. I want him on a meter. That son-of-a-bitch!
I think he's a plant." They'd say, "Oh no, you
can't say that!" I'd say, "I'm saying it. I want
him in a Comm-Ev right now. We can prove it."
So anyway, I was doing that kind of thing. Pounding the table
and all. Everybody left me alone. They left me totally alone.
Nobody would even talk to me.
So the next thing you know, I go out and get on my bike one
day with my wife and I find, when I get in a gas station before I
go on the freeway - my tire is cut. All the way around. From one
ear to the other. It's totally sliced with a knife. Very clean.
All the way down, nearly to the tube, and the tube was already
poking out in a big balloon.
If I had gone on the freeway, the thing would have flattened
out and I might have gotten killed under a bunch of cars and
trucks. So I find it and replace the tire and I know it was a
knife cut. So I'm going to get my bike parked in front of the QM
next time. This is really strange. It was a nice clean cut. It's
not like some slash or something. It was a professionally done
job. It was like all the way around the tire.
So I went back the next day and rode up to work early in the
morning and some guys I knew from SU drive up and they say, "Oh,
Capt. Bill, hey, you're out of the hospital, huh? You look
alright! We heard about the big accident you had." I
said, "What accident?" They said, "Oh, we heard
you and your wife got hurt on the freeway in a motorcycle
accident." I said, "Really? No shit. Who told
you that?" They said, "Oh, we heard it from the
courier. The courier came out to SU and heard it from the PAC
area." Of course, now they had to believe it was all a
lie, because I didn't have no accident.
So I went back and I grabbed the courier and I said, "Where
did you get this from?" And he says, "Oh, I
heard it from somebody in the CMO." So I went to the CMO
and I talked with them and said, "Who did you hear this
from? It didn't happen. Where did you hear it from?" So,
they had heard it from this girl that "tells them
things" from the GO. And this girl worked for Alan Hubbert.
So I went to find her and I found her in a cafe. My wife and I
sat down across from her and we just pointed at her and I said, "You're
going to be in a Comm-Ev. You've been lying about us, spreading
false rumors about Scientologists," and so on like that.
And she just dropped her knife and fork and started looking very
"glazed" and "terror-eyed" and everything
like that and she said,"I...uh...uh." I said, "You
spread that rumor about the accident, didn't you. You know that
Alan Hubbert had the tire slashed on my motorcycle. You know he
tried to kill us, didn't you. You're in it for attempted murder
and you're an accessory before the fact."
And she went, "Uh...uh..please! Please! I can't talk
about it. Don't tell anybody!" I said, "Who
ordered you to do that?" She said, "I can't tell
you, it's GO business. I can't tell you!" And I said, "It's
Alan Hubbert, isn't it?" She said, "uh...yes,
yes, but don't tell him! Don't tell him! He'll kill me!" I
said, "OK, I won't tell him."
So we left her there sort of slobbering into her...- she was
a, you know, one of those GO hangers-on you know... - people that
go and do Black PR for the GO.
So we went back over and I sat down with Dafna and we sat down
there and wrote and typed up a whole bunch of reports on this
whole thing and turned them over to the Ethics Officer in FOLO
there, and sent copies up to the GO and to Fred Hare and anybody
else we could think of, you see, and I said, "Now we want
a Comm-Ev on this guy because now it is attempted murder."
And then, the next thing was that Jimmy Mulligan,
"himself" right?... - now by the way I had been talking
to Joe Lisa. I told Joe Lisa about this. He was the DGI United
States and he knew the whole story. I told him the whole thing,
my suspicions about Mulligan and now told him my suspicions about
Alan Hubbert, and Lisa's getting cotton-mouthed and he can't even
take it. He's scared. He's frightened because these are his
seniors, huh? Not Hubbert, but Mulligan is his senior. And he's
all cotton-mouthed and frightened and everything like this, you
know.
And I said, "Check it out. Check it out. Just go
look." So he started looking. And he checked John Cole.
And he found he was a CIA agent. And he found he had done this
and that and he was trained in the "terror school", and
he might have had something to do with this and that and the
other thing, and he was totally "rabid" against the
Church. And then he found out that Bob Thomas had put some stuff
in my file in 1968 saying I was "hallucinating". And he
checked on the psychiatrist in Beverly Hills. And he found out
the guy did leave town. And the guy was in some kind of
organization that they knew was a SMERSH organization, and he
checked on the doctor in the County General Hospital and found
out that was his name and the guy had left town that night. And
he checked on this and that and he found that everything I was
saying was TRUE.
All the way up the line. And all of a sudden, he was ordered
off. He couldn't do it anymore. Mulligan told him. He was scared.
He told me, "I can't do it anymore. I can't look anymore,
I can't look anymore." I said, "Well, OK, you're
chicken shit, man. That's all it is." He accepted it. He
said, "Yeah, I don't wanna..." So said, "OK,
I'll have to get that son-of-a-bitch myself." So I
started trying to get hold of Mary Sue. And I got ahold of Mary
Sue's auditor, that I knew was her secret auditor and her NOTS
auditor. I got ahold of him and tried to get him to deliver a
message. He was afraid to do it. He wouldn't do it. It was just a
message to meet her, you know and talk to her. He wouldn't do it.
He was afraid.
We went to Fred Hare's wedding and tried to talk to Jane. We
figured Jane might want to do something about it, since she was
lined up to go to jail. And Dafna went up, and I went up and
Dafna said, "Jane, we have some important information for
you about the GO," and so on like that. "We know
some things are happening and we'd like to talk with you about
them." And Jane went, "Oh...! That's a very touchy
subject. I don't want to talk to you about it...no...no."
She was scared, too.
So meanwhile, I went back to this girl that had told me all
about Ranson Justice and all this stuff, and I said, "Look,
would you guys like to help me?" (Her and a couple of
her friends, you see?) So I said, "Would you guys like to
help me and let's handle this goddamn thing ourselves. Let's go
bust into the FBI place or at least surveil it and get a
demonstration going out there and, you know, get the files back,
and expose them to the press, because the GO's all chickenshit
and they won't do anything about it." And she said, "Oh,
well, yeah, we'd like to help you. Let's get Joe Lisa over here
and try one more time."
So we got Joe Lisa over there and we told him all the things
again, gave him tapes... - she gave him a tape recording of her
whole story - ...and he was so frightened he had to drink a glass
of water to be able to talk. And then he called her up the next
day and told her that the FBI will "kill her and her
friends" if they do what I had planned, which was to go
out and harass them out at this place in Encino. The FBI will "kill"
her and "they might take your life and all and then we'd
have to declare you Suppressive." And he (Joe Lisa) told
her that stuff. He was under the influence of Mulligan by this
time.
And then when I went over to see them to find out what had
happened, they all sat on the couch looking afraid, and they told
me, "So we can't help you anymore Captain Bill, we're
afraid. And we've decided...uh...that when we get up the Bridge a
little more, maybe we'll be able to do something." They
were all chickenshit. They were all shaking in their boots. And I
called them all cowards right to their faces and they accepted
that. And they knew it was true and they were cowards.
They wouldn't look. Joe Lisa wouldn't look. None of these
people... they wouldn't look. They wouldn't do anything about it.
I was telling them: These are the guys. Get them out of there.
These are the evil guys. These are the agents of the Government.
These are the enemy sitting right in your midst. And they
wouldn't do anything about it. So I said, "I've got to
get to Mary Sue or Ron. They are the only people that will have
the...see, I'm an AB now, right? So, I'm gonna get these guys.
I'm going to get them. So I'm going to get to Mary Sue."
So I went down to the government office building and tried to
get her address from them... from the Attorney General's people
down there, the court people, that were trying her. And all they
gave me was Mulligan's address over at the Cedars. In the Legal
Department, run by his wife, Anne Mulligan.
... We found some horrible stuff about how the Field in San
Francisco was destroyed by another... oh, by the way... this is
another plant, from San Francisco area. A girl named Kathy O'Gorman, used to be the AG at Flag. She's definitely
suppressive. Tried to destroy every successful person in the San
Francisco area. Then came down to Flag and did a totally
ineffective job against the Clearwater Mafia.
And she was so sweet... and 1.1... everybody "loved"
her... I'm sorry, I thought she was great myself, at one time.
But then I found out the data and... if you investigate it, just
ask anybody that has run a franchise in the San Francisco area in
the early 70's, and you'll find out what she did to them.
She actually was the one who declared Werner Erhart, before he
started EST. And all he was doing was trying to make a way to
make a lot of money for the Church up there and he wanted them to
do his new introductory course. And she said, "No, that's
squirrel!" And "You're declared," and
so on like that, without even listening to the guy. So he went
off and founded EST. So she's actually the person that... - you
could call her responsible for... - starting up a squirrel group.
She didn't have any Justice in the area. It was just, "Shoot
them, shoot them, shoot them. Declare them PTS Type III, shoot
them, shoot them." Like that. Anyway, that's not
Scientology, and we all know that. (CBR-debrief from 1982)